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Anonymous said: "The problem here is that Jamie making money from my idea really does effect me. It potentially affects my sales, because people who see his first may buy it, or they may choose his over mine. It’s already hard enough to make money out of art without competing with the people who are stealing your ideas." I understand it's aggravating to have someone blatantly rip you off, but do you really think it's ethical to be attempting to make money off of fanart of other people's IP to begin with?
Basically, if AMC has a problem with it, they can tell me and I’ll happily remove it from sale. It wouldn’t even take a cease and desist, a simple tweet or email would do the trick.
To be honest, although I had it in mind that it’d be nice to sell this as a print or a T-Shirt from the start, my priority was to do the work for the love of the franchises. It’s fan art, by a fan. But it’s still art, and it’s art I worked very hard on.
Lots of people sell fan art after all - and most big companies are happy to let it slide. Being new to this side of the industry, I wasn’t aware that writing ‘breaking bad’ on a piece could cause any sort of an issue (something Punksthetic keeps pointing out as though it makes him any more innocent). Generally I either do professional work for hire or self-published comic books, I only just started to make T-Shirts etc. Fan Art isn’t my general area of expertise. I just know a lot of people who do it and it seems fun.
The way I understand it (and this comes from a guy who works on Breaking Bad official merch who reblogged a lot of this stuff for me), so long as people wouldn’t confuse it for an official work, companies like AMC couldn’t care less about people like me selling works like this. And a BrBa/BttF mash-up isn’t particularly likely to be official merch. I’m certainly not trying to pretend that it IS official either.
I’m considering re-releasing my own version trimmed down and without the text/with different text, if it makes any difference.
Something that I’ll make clear here, because the line you quoted me on above perhaps muddies this point, is that it’s more about the principal of the theft than the money for me. Sure, it sucks if he cuts into my potential sales, but I’d happily not make a dime off of my work, if it meant stopping this fraud from making any off of a concept he stole from me. I want everyone to know that.
Thanks for the question, it was a good one!
Of course you’re not trying to claim it’s official merch. That’s why you have “BREAKING BAD” right at the top of your piece.
Clearly this guy knows nothing about the t-shirt/print business or copyright infringement… My piece, on the other hand, doesn’t infringe upon either franchise and is considered fair use. I have been doing this for a while now and I know how to design a piece so that it does not infringe upon others rights. You can simply take a small trip to Michael’s RedBubble store to figure out that he has no such experience.
Also, just for the record, I know you’re going on and on about me supposedly “admitting” to this theft you’ve been harping on about for the last week or so, but I think you need an education on something called “The Devil’s Advocate,” wherein someone takes a stance they don’t necessarily agree with. In my private correspondence with you, I was speaking in just such a way, fully aware you would print screen our conversation and post it around because anyone with half a brain could understand this simple concept. When I said, “You think you’re the only one to have your idea copied?” I was speaking from your viewpoint for a moment, as if your accusations were true… Your attitude and actions you have taken in light of that possibility is STILL highly inappropriate and unacceptable, and without proof you are just another mudslinging journalist. This smear campaign of yours HAS to stop.
Seriously, though, I hope you have a good life, Michael. I hope you get all the credit in the world for your piece, because it’s not bad. I didn’t copy you, for the record, and I never once tried to insinuate that you copied me (though you have confessed that you had been a follower of my work when you first accused me, so perhaps… I inspired you in some small way?). As far as I’m concerned, you can make a ton of money off your art for all I care.
What I DO care about, however, is your willful and ignorant bashing of my reputation without hard evidence to support your claim. Such evidence might be me “liking” your art on Facebook, me being an actual follower of one of your followers on Tumblr, or me actually putting a note on your Tumblr sketches… none of which you have.
Until you prove any of this, you are simply a whiny crybaby with nothing except the desire to be right… but desire alone does not make anything you want become reality, no matter how much you want it to.
I hope perhaps I’ve gotten through to you (this time).
I’ve spent the last few days trying to get out of this cycle of mudslinging and focusing on art again (I’m making a comic), but unfortunately the mud is mounting up on my doorstep.
In the interest of moving on from this, I’m going to set the record straight on a few recurring things I keep hearing from Jamie and the few people supporting him.
For starters, Jamie keeps pointing to the fact that I have ‘Breaking Bad’ written on mine as though it invalidates my point about him plagiarizing me, because I supposedly don’t understand the rules of the T-Shirt business. Weirdly however, I’ve seen many other examples of people doing exactly what I did, or supposedly worse still, using official logos - on products they are selling on the same sites where his Jamie hosts his art. The fact that I supposedly did something wrong in my original piece has nothing to do with whether or not Jamie plagiarized me.
Using the name ‘Breaking Bad’ in the BttF font obviously was not designed to mimic the official font of the TV show, or to trick anybody into thinking the art was official. I have never made that claim and funnily enough, only Jamie and a few of his followers even seem to be drawing that conclusion.
Where it’s true that I owned one or two of Jamie’s T-Shirts (up until tossing them in the trash last week), no, I was NOT inspired by his work. I could not have been inspired by a design he had yet to create. I’ll point back to the time-stamps. Also - I didn’t even know who he was, I was not a follower of his on any social network, I just picked the designs up on 24 hour t-shirt sites without knowing who made them. I’m certainly going to be more discerning in future.
Time stamps clearly show that I had my rough image online over 24 hours before Jamie posted anything about his mash-up. And because he claims that my posting it on Facebook doesn’t count (for some bizarre reason), I’ll point out that I still had it up on Tumblr several hours before he even mentioned it online. Tagged and viewable to the public.
Jamie keeps asking how he possibly could have possibly seen it, but only he can know the answer to that. Sure, he’s not a follower of mine on Tumblr or Facebook, but as if it even needs explanation, it’s worth pointing out that every one note on Tumblr, or one share on Facebook might equal a hundred views (I have over 1900 friends on Facebook). Lots of people see things without clicking the little ‘like’ or ‘heart’, or even share things on other social networks where they can’t be tracked. My colour test, for instance, has wound up on several peoples’ Instagrams - something I don’t even use. Here, I don’t even know who this guy is. Once you put something out there, if it’s a good idea, it travels beyond your reach pretty quickly.
As recently insinuated by his fans, no, I did not rip off other BttF/BrBa mash-ups like this one. I researched it, found some people did mash-up the two franchises already, and carefully made mine very different.
As you can see, I used Walt and Jesse rather than Marty and the Doc and referenced my favourite Struzan poster for the pose. Because the hazmat suits are similar to the ones worn in BttF and because it makes him look like a wacky scientist, I put Walt in one. I also used the BttF font when I could have easily styled it after Breaking Bad. I decided to use the RV, rather than to pluck the Delorean out of BttF, or something else from Breaking Bad. Jamie did everything the same. The only real difference is that I added in the red smoke from season one. Any other combination of elements would not have bothered me, but this was a clear copy of my concept.
Another argument I keep seeing him make against me is that I produce less work than him. My output as an artist really doesn’t come into play either, let alone prove Jamie’s innocence. The truth is, I just work in more fields and only recently made this foray into T-Shirt/fan-art territory. Not like I feel I should have to justify myself in this circumstance; generally I make comics and often I write rather than draw.
And Jamie’s claims of playing Devil’s advocate when he admitted to copying me? Nope, sorry, not the case. Not in that context. For starters, an innocent person doesn’t need to justify or advocate theft. What his his comments were closer to is Blackmail. Jamie was threatening to get me in trouble with AMC if I caused him any more trouble over this piece. You only need to read what he said. The reason why it didn’t work is simply because (as I have mentioned many times before), I don’t mind taking my work down from sale.
No, I’m not running a smear campaign either. I made two, maybe three tumblr posts on the subject, in the interest of getting people to contact him and plead with him to do the decent thing and take his copied piece down. Jamie responded by attempting to sic his own followers on me, but only two showed up… and one of them seemed a bit embarrassed and apologetic about the whole thing.
Now I’m getting his version taken down where I see it, but that’s all I’m doing. If people are still contacting him, it’s not because I’m actively doing anything to spur them on, it’s because they don’t like plagiarism, they don’t like his behaviour, and now they know all about it.
Hope this clears things up,
Some people are saying my last post is a little on the long side. I get that.
Here’s the cliff-notes, please share them around for me and if you have the time, contact Jamie R. Stone (AKA ‘Punksthetic’) on his Tumblr, Twitter, Facebook, or Facebook Fanpage to let him know that this is not an OK way to treat fellow artists: